MathML-Core Agenda, Monday Feb 24, 2025 #284
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Are there any new thoughts on when stretchiness should apply? #270 |
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It would be nice to have a 1 minute retrospective on the results of WPT Interop 2025. MathML had two interop issues, 787 and 861, neither of which attracted support. |
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Minutes: 02/24/2025 MathML Core Meeting Attendees
RegretsAction Items2. Issues for publishing CR draft #170No updates. 3. Update Implementation report link / verify tests #283ACTION BK: Replace what we have in issue 283 with a link to a list of test which we can maintain. 4. Clarify the language around deprecated features of MathML #279action NS will open an issue on whether the items that NS lists can be called presentational hints. Presentational hints allows you to style multiple HTML elements consistently using a single CSS file. action BK will talk to MDN about how to name things in full but not in core. ACTION** DC: To make a PR to core spec to list some items from issue 279 that are not to be added to core and considered deprecated by MDN. Wording to be reviewed later. 5. U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS in operators #706. Rename OverShift and UnderShift for munder/mover/munderover layout #121action BK will send MuS information on writing web platform tests. 1. Announcements/Updates/Progress reportsAgenda Items1. Announcements/UpdatesDG wrote: BK: Put together a list of MathML projects that Igalia would support. They had hoped to inspire other funders. This did not work for Interop in 2025. BK is reaching out to other possible funders. BK: We should keep proposing MathML projects in future years. We can propose the same projects that we proposed in 2025. 2. Issues for publishing CR draft #170No updates. 3. Update Implementation report link / verify tests #283BK wrote: BK: We need to have a link to an actual list of tests. The tests are in the YAML file. BK: Make sure that this YAML file is updated, and we have an actual list of tests that cover MathML. DG: There are 115 entries in the list now. NS: We need to have something that points to the actual pass/fail for the tests. BK: There are a lot of false positives. BK: Must look at how to create the link. We need to mark which tests are MathML. ACTION BK: Replace what we have in issue 283 with a link to a list of test which we can maintain. 4. Clarify the language around deprecated features of MathML #279In issue 279 NS wrote: action NS will open an issue to see if people agree that the items that NS lists can be called presentational hints. Presentational hints allows you to style multiple HTML elements consistently using a single CSS file. NS: There is this tension between deprecated and experimental If something is in full but not in core. BK: If you think it could ever get in core, then list it as experimental. NS: The original idea with core was We need to find some minimal amount of things that people will implement. DG: Voted for deprecation because he does not think they will ever be implemented. DG: Many of these items seem to be level 2. BK: There was a request that the spec be clearer about the status of items. If we have two or three categories, we should list them in the spec. DC: The full spec may describe an attribute and simply say they are not in core. BM: We should talk to MDN to get a new term for things that are not in core but maybe someday. BK: MDN wants to focus on things that will be in the browser. NS: You cannot deprecate something that has never been in core. BM: MDN should say "available in full only", instead of saying deprecated. action BK will talk to MDN about how to name things in full but not in core. ACTION DC: To make a PR to core spec to list some items from issue 279 that are not to be added to core and considered deprecated by MDN. Wording to be reviewed later. 5. U+002D HYPHEN-MINUS in operators #70MuS: U+2212 is not a hack to write the minus sign, it is the definition of the minus sign. most software changes U+002d to U+2212. Copilot says: DC: The question is what to do with the U+002D case. You should use U+2212. MuS: You used to search for a - b and find it but everything is a special symbol now. NS: There is a huge legacy issue. Probably half of all mathematical documents have U+002d for minus instead of U+2212. For this reason, U+002d must be accepted as a minus sign. BK: Someone could write a platform test for this. In issue 70, NS wrote: It is still the case that both a spec update and (we think) a test need doing. 6. Rename OverShift and UnderShift for munder/mover/munderover layout #121DC sent this link to the group: BK: We are waiting for confirmation from Microsoft. MuS: The thing that bothers me more is the superscript and subscript shifts Which should be uniform for uniform Letters like A and B. MuS: It is pretty elementary. I mean, that really shows up all over the place if you have a squared plus b squared equals c squared. Immediately you see, whoops, the two on the B is still a little too high, and, you know, it shows up in Safari. It shows up in Firefox, it shows up in Chromium. It does not show up in MathJax. It does not show up in Word. It does not show up in Tex or LaTeX. MuS: So, I think that should be fixed. I mean, basically, whatever their shift is for A, just use that for B. It is going to look better. NS: Let us look at the spec and see if there is wrong wording. DC: It is saying that the subscript position for single characters depends on the font parameter not the height of the character. NS: Perhaps it is an implementation bug. NS: There's probably just a bug in the code, but it's curious that it shows up in Safari, Firefox, and Chromium. So, unless there is some override that I am missing, It is maybe an implementation bug and there should be a web platform test with a square. I mean, yes, E squared and B squared, and the two should always be the same. NS: Perhaps MuS could write a test. action BK will send MuS information on writing web platform tests. MuS: As far as OverShift and UnderShift are concerned, I had not looked at that one. |
Clarify the language around deprecated features of MathML #279
Rename OverShift and UnderShift for munder/mover/munderover layout #121
- Make ::first-letter and ::first-line pseudo-elements not applied to elements with display: math #211The text was updated successfully, but these errors were encountered: