May I ask when did it happen?

[ContextSwitchWang]

Hi, cirosantilli, I read you profile at SO and other discussions, and I feel that as a Chinese I should talk to you.

What are you complaining about

I read that your girlfriend's mother was detained in "corretion facility", are you refering to Re-education through labor? At the time of now, it has been already abolished by National People's Congress.
Considering she "was kept 15 days", I could say it is a very normal "detention", which is within the limit of lawful detain time length in China(we allow a maximum of 15 days ), I don't see any problem. Detention without warrant or trial within a time limit is allowed in other countries, too, like UK with a maximum of 14 days, Korean and Japan.
As for the treatment in the "prison", and I quote:
She had to stay all the time in a small room with a bed and a toilet, under video surveillance, being fed three meager meals a day
The treatment, although unpleasant, is not even close to "unhuman".
I suggest you compare with what the CPC and Soviet did the 60s, and what's happening in the US prisons.

Conclusion

I am sorry about it, but what the law enforcement agency did to your girlfriend's mother is perfectly lawful, though improper, because they should had released her sooner if she is indeed innocent.
But how does it have anything to do with China's politics and foreign policy?

[cirosantilli]

Thanks for the reply ~~

Hi, cirosantilli, I read you profile at SO and other discussions, and I feel that as a Chinese I should talk to you.

What are you complaining about

I read that your girlfriend's mother was detained in "corretion facility", are you refering to Re-education through labor? At the time of now, it has been already abolished by National People's Congress.

No this is not what I meant.

I should have worded it better. The correct word is Jail.

Unfortunately I can't edit a Tweet, I will add it to the FAQ: https://github.com/cirosantilli/china-dictatorship/blob/master/FAQ.md

My bad there.

Considering she "was kept 15 days", I could say it is a very normal "detention", which is within the limit of lawful detain time length in China(we allow a maximum of 15 days ), I don't see any problem. Detention without warrant or trial within a time limit is allowed in other countries, too, like UK with a maximum of 14 days, Korean and Japan.

I didn't know about other countries.

The problem is why she was put there.

If it is lawful, then it is a bad law, or applied badly, and that is what I oppose.

As for the treatment in the "prison", and I quote:
She had to stay all the time in a small room with a bed and a toilet, under video surveillance, being fed three meager meals a day
The treatment, although unpleasant, is not even close to "unhuman".

Where did I say it was inhuman? But still, wasting 14 days of your life is not cool.

I suggest you compare with what the CPC and Soviet did the 60s, and what's happening in the US prisons.

I don't doubt CPC and China in the 60's, and nazy germany, etc., were much worse.

Prisons probably suck all over the world, and that is not cool.

The question is why she was put there.

Conclusion

I am sorry about it, but what the law enforcement agency did to your girlfriend's mother is perfectly lawful, though improper, because they should had released her sooner if she is indeed innocent.
But how does it have anything to do with China's politics and foreign policy?

Nothing, why do you ask?

[cirosantilli]

BTW, my GF also did USTC. like your ustclug gitlab user description, it is very friendly :-)

[ContextSwitchWang]

If it is lawful, then it is a bad law, or applied badly, and that is what I oppose

Yes, it is. But that law is put there for a reason.

WHY

1. Why against Falun? I say it's understandable. For example, most government hold nothing against Religion A. But if statistics found out that, say, 70% of the terrorists are Religion A, and 10% of Religion A in your country are terrorists. I figure most government will 'discriminate' them in some way. Although most people in Religion A is completely innocently. That is why Falun is hated by the Chinese government, just as the US government doesn't like Muslim after 911. But, just practicing Falun doesn't put you in prison in China, blowing something up or trying to overthrow the government will. But it will be enough ground for a investigation and questioning or whatever.
2. Why allow a prolonged detention? Well, generally civil law system countries (like china, french) have stricter law enforcement than common countries( like the US, Uk). But that has nothing to do with china's dictatorship!

That's not the fault of dictatorship

You said you are complaining against nothing but the you have the following bold goals:

My goals: make the Great Firewall of China GFW block Stack Overflow pages where I have posted, in order to make Chinese programmers:
mad and demand direct elections, freedom of speech and human rights
talk to me, so I can gather pro-freedom contacts and better understand China: Twitter or Github. Public contact preferred, even if anonymous. If you really need privacy, ciro.santilli.contact [at] gmail.com
less efficient and work less well for the Dictatorship

Well, China is a dictatorship state, that is written in China's constitution, and can't be changed easily. But, that is not the bane of the bad event happened on your gf's mother. It has a few to do with the restricted freedom of speech, though. It has nothing to do with Chinese government's position on Falun, Tibet or whatever. We keep Tibet because it can prevent India from attacking, we won't let Xinjiang go is because it has oil and gas. Be assured, the US or any state will do the same thing. For reference, Singapore is also de facto dictated by a tyrant. But it's a friend of the US, and considered to have a well-established law system. India is a “democratic" state, do they have better protection of human rights than China? I don't think so. Dictatorship doesn't prevent you from pass a good law and promote human rights, unless you deliberately enjoy killing( like Hitler? ).

Nice to know

BTW, my GF also did USTC. like your ustclug gitlab user description, it is very friendly :-)

Nice to know that. Our alumnae is all over the world. Our git.ustclug is actually more comfortable than github. See, my profile again confirms that, not everything is banned. I am not unlawfully detained, harassed or "watched by big brother" (not that I know of). (I believe I wrote it after I watched MISSION IMPOSSIBLE)

Pro-freedom?

I am in fact very pro-freedom. I believe in a common law system, a feasible jury and a de facto democracy. I believe it should be an individual's choice to believe a religion or not, even if that religion was really bad, the same with homosexual marriage. And I agree with democrats' Modern Liberal idea.
BTW, the US presidential election is not a direct election. The voters elect the electoral college, which then elects the President. See the democracy of the US is not built in one day either, see jackson democracy
The reason that China's election is not effective is that when the CPC makes the law, they intentionally spit voters into groups too small, thus prevent them from organizing interest group; they use too many stages of indirect election to make representatives more detached from voters; they use a secret vote to keep the voters from knowing the position of a representative.
Revolt doesn't bring democracy. It needs tons of political negotiating, compromising and re-education of the people to do that.

[cirosantilli]

1. Why against Falun? I say it's understandable. For example, most government hold nothing against Religion A. But if statistics found out that, say, 70% of the terrorists are Religion A, and 10% of Religion A in your country are terrorists. I figure most government will 'discriminate' them in some way. Although most people in Religion A is completely innocently. That is why Falun is hated by the Chinese government, just as the US government doesn't like Muslim after 911. But, just practicing Falun doesn't put you in prison in China, blowing something up or trying to overthrow the government will. But it will be enough ground for a investigation and questioning or whatever.
2. Why allow a prolonged detention? Well, generally civil law system countries (like china, french) have stricter law enforcement than common countries( like the US, Uk). But that has nothing to do with china's dictatorship!

This is called discrimination.

Unfortunately, it happens all over the world and hard to avoid. But at least most countries say it will not discriminate.

Many people consider it unacceptable to do profiling even when choosing who to inveestigate.

But to detain someone for investigation by social profiling, the huge majority of people are against.

Well, China is a dictatorship state, that is written in China's constitution, and can't be changed easily. But, that is not the bane of the bad event happened on your gf's mother. It has a few to do with the restricted freedom of speech, though. It has nothing to do with Chinese government's position on Falun, Tibet or whatever. We keep Tibet because it can prevent India from attacking, we won't let Xinjiang go is because it has oil and gas. Be assured, the US or any state will do the same thing. For reference, Singapore is also de facto dictated by a tyrant. But it's a friend of the US, and considered to have a well-established law system. India is a “democratic" state, do they have better protection of human rights than China? I don't think so. Dictatorship doesn't prevent you from pass a good law and promote human rights, unless you deliberately enjoy killing( like Hitler? ).

In democracies, it is way harder to persecute religions, because they vote.

The other questions are not directly related to her mother, but they are all points I believe in and use them to attack the communists to promote democracy.

In particular, taking down the firewall is something everyone I've talked to agrees with.

I agree many countries in the world are bad. But I you have to chose one and focus on it. Why I choose China:

• I like China and my GF
• China is big, way bigger than Singapore, so more important
• US is not a dictatorship. Dictatorships scare me more, it is easier to start wars. Look at how americans went against the government in the Vietnam war. What if the government could just silence those people up and continue the war?

Our git.ustclug is actually more comfortable than github. See, my profile again confirms that, not everything is banned. I am not unlawfully detained, harassed or "watched by big brother" (not that I know of). (I believe I wrote it after I watched MISSION IMPOSSIBLE)

I don't understand, since it if it is publicly viewable, you have definitely been put at the NSA and 3PLA watch list at some point.

The only difference is that since it's in China it's more easily viewable by the 3PLA than NSA.

I think you could put that on GitHub as well and you account wouldn’t be taken down.

Revolt doesn't bring democracy. It needs tons of political negotiating, compromising and re-education of the people to do that.

By revolt I don't mean armed: as I said I'm against violence.

But every change starts from dissatisfaction, which is a "revolt" of the mind.

And dissatisfaction brings action.

I am taking action, and trying to increase the dissatisfaction of others as well.

[cirosantilli]

But, just practicing Falun doesn't put you in prison in China

Do people go out in public to practice nowadays?

[cirosantilli]

Dictatorship doesn't prevent you from pass a good law and promote human rights, unless you deliberately enjoy killing( like Hitler? ).

But I think it reduces the probability of good laws, since it represents it's people less directly, because they can't vote or even say what the want.

As for human rights, dictatorships are very bad, because they tend to ignore smaller fractions of the population and silence anyone who raises human rights concerns.

What about those layers who have been recently put to trial? http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/press-releases/china-lawyers-face-15-years-in-jail-on-%E2%80%98chilling-state-security-charges

[ContextSwitchWang]

Well certainly, you have some points, and I'm glad that there're people who like china from other parts of the world. But I'm really no political expert and I can only say what I find which may be incorrect, as I'm only a college student.
I can give you another example, which is that:
In china's college, high school and primary school, there would always be a Union of Students, which has a chairman. What is weird is that since primary school, I have never voted for a chairman of our union!(At least I've never been notified about when the vote is gonna happen.) While in high school, I asked our class monitor(who is a very cute girl) once about it, she told me that there was a "vote", but they only gathered the limited people and she was there. The process, as she described, is the former chairman and other former leaders of the union discuss who is the best candidate which is followed by a vote but only in form. Then, well, in 90 percent that person is gonna be elected. But it turns out, most of my classmates don't care about it, because

• it doesn't affect their studying and
• acquisition of a degree with a good grade,
• thus doesn't affect their life.

I don't know how other countries do it, but as a student, I have no idea why they implement such a system, since the election of some pupils takes no trouble at all and doesn't affect politics!